UPDATE with the U-Cross .
Info’s: In this race for performance, the recent 2015/2016 gliders are having
very thin line set up. Whether on a B, C, or D glider, I have found that those
gliders from different manufacturer does in fact change slightly (Still with a
large safety margin, within the permitted stretch tolerance with no required adjustment)
…They just settle to a certain configuration…Some after 20 hours, and some
after 100 hours…But they do change slightly…That’s why flying them again and
again will in fact change their characteristic slightly, and this will show on
marginal conditions, especially in weak conditions, or in strong head wind
conditions.
(THIS COMPARISON HAS BEEN UPDATED ALSO FOR SOME OLDER GLIDERS AFTER MORE AND
MORE FLIGHTS UNDER DIFFERENT CONDITIONS)
The best I can do….
Most easy to fly in difficult conditions (most comfortable) :
1-AD Rise 2 M = Atlas X-Alps S = Ion 4 S @ 96 = Buzz Z5 SM @95 = Hook 3 25 = UP
Kibo SM @ 92 = U-Cruise @ 96
2-Sprint EVO= Eden 5 = Advance E7 26 = Kantega XC2= Ion 3 S = Atlas S=
Infinity4 S = Swift 4 SM = AD Rise 2 S Superlight = Skyman Cross country S
3-Rush 3 = Mentor 3 S = Summit XC 3 S = Iota 26 = Triple Seven Rook 2 SM =
Carrera Plus S = Base M = Swing Nyos M @ 98 = Eden 6 26 @ 96 = Mentor 4 S @ 96
= Ikuma 25 = GIN Sprint 3 M @ 101 .
4-Tequila 4 = Rush 4 = Windtech Bali = Skywalk Aruba 3 S = Sky Apollo M
5-SM-Blacklight = Nevada = Sky Atis 4 = Comet 2 S= Swing Mistral 7 S =Mentor 4 Light XS
6-Mentor 2 = Lightning S
7-Chili 3
8-Carrera S, M
Climb rate in very weak conditions (float-ability)
1-Carrera Plus S @ 91 = Chili 3 S @ 98 = Infinity 4 S@ 90 = UP Kantega XC2 S @
90 = U-Turn Blacklight SM @ 98 = Atlas X-Alps S @ 92 & M @ 102 = Swift SM @
90 = Skyman Cross country S @ 88 = Mentor 4 XS Light
2-Nevada = Rush 4 SM @ 90 = Mentor 2 S (Still Efficient) = Tequila 4 SM = Ion 4
S @ 95 = Eden 6 26 @ 96 = Buzz Z5 SM @88 = Eden 5 = Carrera S, M =Triple Seven
Rook 2 SM = Lightning S @90 = Arriba 3 S @ 92 = Mentor 4 S @ 94
3-Mentor 3 S @ 95 = AD Rise 2 M = Gin Sprint 3 M @ 101
= Atlas S @ 90 = Hook 3 = Base M @ 90 = Rise 2 S Superlight @ 90 = Iota 26 @ 95
= Windtech Bali @ 95 = Sky Apollo M @ 92
4-Summit XC 3 S @ 93 = Comet 2 S @ 88 = Ion 3 S @ 95 = Ikuma 25 = UP Kibo SM @
92 =U-Cruise @ 96
5- Sky Atis 4 = Advance E 7 26 = Swing M7 S @ 92 = Swing Nyos M @ 98
Climb rate in OVERALL conditions for XC flying (difficult ,weak, or strong)
.
“Relatively moving conditions”
1-Carrera Plus S @ 94 = Chili 3 S @ 98 = Carrera S, M = Swift SM @ 92 = Mentor
4 S @ 97
2-Nevada = Triple Seven Rook 2 SM @ 93 = U-Turn Blacklight SM= Rush 4 SM =
Mentor 2 S (Still Efficient) = Mentor 3 S ( it is very dampened) = Tequila 4 SM
= AD Rise 2 M = Atlas S = Base M = Rise 2 S Superlight = Atlas X-Alps S & M
= Ion 4 S @ 95 = Eden 6 26 @ 96 = Buzz Z5 SM @ 92 = Skyman Cross Country S =
Gin Sprint 3 M @ 101 = Sky Apollo M = Arriba 3 S @ 92 = Mentor 4 XS Light
3-Iota 26 = Windtech Bali = NK Ikuma 25 = Swing Nyos M @ 98 = Up Kibo SM = U-Cruise @ 96
4-Summit XC 3 S @ 93 = Comet 2 S = Ion 3 S
5-Hook 3 = Eden 5 = Sky Atis 4= Advance E 7 26 = UP Kantega XC2 S = Infinity 4
S = Swing M7 S = Lightning S @90 (These gliders have a superb climb in calm
conditions away from the valley breeze. Differences are very small .Its up to
the pilot !)
Glide in “OVERALL” conditions (upwind, downwind, racing in difficult
conditions) Or “efficiency” ! Done in active air.
1-Carrera S, M = Mentor 4 S = Iota 26 = Carrera Plus = Rook 2 SM = Mentor 4 XS Light
2- Eden 6 26 @ 96 = Nyos M @ 98 = Sprint 3 M @ 101
3-Mentor 3 S = Chili 3 S = Ion 4 S @ 95 = U-Cruise @ 96
4-Rush 4 = AD Rise 2 = Swift 4 SM = Ikuma 25 = Skyman Cross country S = UP Kibo
SM @ 92
= Sky Apollo M @ 93
5-Nevada 26 (must be loaded at 100 ) = Windtech Bali = Hook 3 = Tequila 4 SM =
Mentor 2 S = Arriba 3 S = Buzz Z5 SM @ 92
6-Blacklight SM (loaded) = Ion 3 S = Sky Atis 4 M = Swing Mistral 7 S = Atlas
X-Alps =AD Rise 2 S Superlight = UP Summit XC3 S size (M&L could be
different) = Atlas X-Alps S =UP Summit XC3 S.
7-BGD Base M = UP kantega XC2 S = Rush 3 M = AD Rise 1 = Infinity 4 S = Eden 5
= Comet 2 S = Atlas S = Advance E7 26 ( The differences are small with ± half a
point in L/D max, in “relatively moderate conditions” . (Racing in stronger
conditions will show bigger differences)
Fun feel : “pleasure to fly, “agile” and higher overall fun feeling” IMHO
1-Tequila 4 S @ + 91 kg = Arriba 3 @ 90 all up
2- Buzz Z5 SM @ 90 = Base M @ + 91 kg / Infinity 4 S @ + 89 Kg = Swift 4 @ + 91
Kg / Atlas S / Sky Atis 4 M @ + 95 Kg / Swing Mistral 7 @ +92 Kg / Mentor 2 S @
+95 Kg / Comet 2 S @ + 93 Kg / =UP Kibo SM @ 93 = Sky Apollo M @ 92 = Mentor 4 XS Light
3- Rush 4 @ + 91 Kg / Carrera S @ + 92 kg / Blacklight S @ +91 Kg /
Blacklight SM @ + 100 Kg / UP Kantega XC2 @ + 95 Kg / Mentor 3 & 4 S @ +95
Kg / Advance Iota @ + 96 Kg / Wintech Bali M @ + 97 Kg / Chili 3 @ + 100 Kg /
AD Rise 2 S superlight @ + 89 Kg =Triple Seven Rook 2 SM @ 97 = Nyos 26 @ 99 =
Ikuma 25 = Eden 6 26 @ 96 = Skyman Cross country S @ 88 = Gin Sprint 3 M @ 101 =
Nova Ion 4 S at 96 all up.
4- Rise 2 M @ + 103 Kg / Nevada 26 @ + 100 Kg / Ion 3 S @ + 97 Kg / Hook 3 M @
+ 97 Kg /UP Summit XC3 @ + 93 kg / AD Rise 1 @ + 95 Kg = Atlas X-Alps S &
M = U-Cruise .
Most demanding glider in “strong conditions” (1-10) ’10’ being
most demanding for a high end B ‘: ( Please bear in mind the ‘size’ and the ‘wing
loading’ ! )
* Some C’s and D’s were included to inform pilots about their demanding
behavior (Forum request) .
Advance E7 26 (@93 all up) * 3.9
GIN Atlas X-Alps ( S @ 94 all up) *3.9
AD Rise 2 M (@98all up) *4
UP Kibo SM @ 92 *4
Skyman cross country S @ 88 *4
Eden 5 (@ 95 all up) *4
Hook 3 (@97 all up) *4
Buzz Z5 SM @ 92 *4
Nova Ion 4 S @ 95 *4
BGD Base M (@90all up) *4.5
Rush 3 M (@102 all up) *4.5
Sprint Evo ( @ 98 all up ) *4.5
Nova Ion 3 S (@ 95 all up) *5.0
U-Turn Infinity 4 S (@ 90all up) *5.0
Gin Atlas S (@ 92 all up ) * 5.0
UP Kantega Xc2 S (@ 90 all up)*5.0
Air Cross U-Cruise 26 @ 96 *5.3
AD Rise 1 (@ 102 all up) *5.5
Windtech Bali (@95 all up) *5.5
Swift 4 SM (@ 92 all up) *5.5
Triple Seven Rook 2 SM ( at 97) *5.5
Eden 6 26 @ 96 *5.5
Nyos M @ 98 *5.5
Iota 26 ( @ 95 all up) *5.5
Gin Sprint 3 M @ 101 *5.5
Blacklight SM (@100 all up)*5.5
Sky Atis 4 M (@93 all up) *5.5
Nevada 26 (@ 100 all up ) *5.5
Mentor 3 S ( @97 all up) *5.5
Tequila 4 SM (@92 all up) *5.5
Ikuma 25 @ 94 * 5.6
Mentor 4 S ( @ 95 all up) *5.6
Arriba 3 S at 92 all up *5.6
Sky Apollo M @ 92
*5.7
Nova Mentor 4 XS light *5.7
Axis Comet 2 S (@90 all up 5.8
UP Summit XC3 @ 93 all up. 6.0
GIN Carrera plus S @ 94 all up *6.0
Swing M7 S (@90all up) *6.0
Rush 4 SM (@93 all up) *6.0
Blacklight S ( @ 90 all up) *6.5
Lightning S @ (90 all up) 6.5
Mentor 2 S (@ 95 all up) *6.5
Chili 3 S (@ 98all up) *7.0
Carrera S, M 8.0
C & D gliders:
This grade is to say how busy a glider is, in strong conditions, or the one
that’s more difficult to manage, comparing to the B category.
Since this is a very delicate comparison , i must point out that the glider
that has quicker authority on the brakes like the Triton 2 will enable a good
pilot to keep it swiftly overhead. Some doesn’t have that quick response and in
strong conditions they won’t keep the pilot as busy, but he will be the
‘passenger’ for a short lapse of time …
The grade doesn’t indicate the one that recovers easier or harder !!Only that
keep you busier ! Most will have easier recovery than the higher graded !
Mac Elan M (@98all up) *7
Swing Nexus (@94 all up) *7.0
Up Summit XC 3 S (@94 all up) *7.5
Mac Elan light 24 (@90 al up) *7.5
Advance Sigma 9 25 (@91 all up) *7.5
Niviuk Artik 4 25 (@91 all up) *8.5
Ozone Alpina 2 SM (@92 all up) * 8.5
Delta 2 SM size (@ 92 all up) *9
777 Queen M (@ 101 all up) *9
BGD Cure (@ 93 all up) *9.3
Aspen 5 26 (@98all up) *10
Skyman CrossAlps S (@90 all up) *10.5
Sol Lotus one (@ 98 all up) *11
Ozone Mantra 6 SM (@94 all up) *12
Gin Gto 2 S size (@94 all up) *12,5
Triton 2 in S size (@ 96 all up) *12.5 (M size could be different) !
Niviuk IP6 26 (@98 all up) *13.5
Ozone R-10 S (@ 98 all up) *15.0
The Eden 5 has less top speed of 3-4 km than the others.
The Hook 3 is very comfortable to fly with a very interesting glide angle. The
climb in smooth conditions is fair.
The Mentor 3 is much easier than the Mentor 2, and its efficiency is in those
turbulent glides where it will have less pitch movements and little better
glide.
The Mentor 4 has better glide than the Mentor 3 but with lesser climb “only” in
weak conditions.
The Mentor 4 XS light felt differently trimmed than the S size. The fun feel is high and the performance is excellent !
The Ikuma is a comfortable glider with nice handling. The overall performance
is is in the mid of the High B category.
The U-Cruise is a comfortable glider in thermals, but wait until you try wing overs…Too high for B 🙂
The Iota has a very good glide similar to the Mentor 4, It has a nice climb
similar to the Mentor “3”.
The Chili 3 S “still” has the best climb rate and a very nice handling in homogeneous conditions. But with a very long brake travel.
The Advance E7 26 is the most confidence inspiring rock solid glider of the
cat. It reminded me of the low B cat in comfort.
The BGD Base is a confidence inspiring, solid glider. The climb and handling
are very good.
The Atis 4 has a bit roll movement and need some active piloting in the high
end B’s.
It has a fast trim speed, much like the M3 and Chili 3. Long brake travel are
needed to let the glider respond in turbulent conditions.
The UP Kantega XC2 S is a very nice wing to fly .It has nice handling and also
superb climb overall being also very accessible.
The Swing M7 S is a delight to fly. It dives a bit into turns. It is fast
enough for a B, and has enough performance. Not really a floater but a nice
glider overall.
The Rush 4 has a very good glide . It is an overall good, very solid B glider,
but its trim speed is around 38 km/h and especially the top speed which is low
for the cat around 51 km/h .
The fastest are Mentor 3, XC3, Mistral 7…But it is around 55 km/h max.
The AD rise 2 M has the BEST ratio Performance/Comfort in flight !
The Tequila 4 SM is like a precious gem ! combining
agility/performance/accessibility!
The Infinity 4 has a very light and nice turning behavior! It has a low trim
speed , and the climb rate even loaded is outstanding!
The Comet 2 S give a nice feeling under it. It has a very nice handling .
The Windtech Bali has a respected glide angle. It needs slightly active
piloting in big air.
The Atlas S has everything to make its pilot very happy,with a good feeling of
passive safety. The X-Alps version of the Atlas has more performance overall,
especially in climb.
The Arriba is slightly more dynamic than the Tequila 4 and a pleasurable glider
to fly.
The Rook 2 is a well-balanced high performance B glider, with nice handling and
efficiency.
The Nyos is very comfortable, made for strong conditions.The gliding
performance is very good !
The Eden 6 26 is a very balanced all round B glider toward performance flying,
and respecting a pleasant pleasurable feel !
The Buzz Z5 has an upgrade over the Z4 in performance while retaining the
comfort. The brake pressure and feel in thermals is really nice!
The Cross country is a light glider with pleasurable handling, and comfortable
behavior.
The UP Kibo is an accessible B glider with a comfortable ride.
The Sky Apollo is a pleasure to fly.
The Gin Sprint 3 M performance /comfort ratio is very good.
Conclusion: The Carrera has now two very serious competitors, the M4 and
the Iota in pure gliding power. The Carrera still climbs better “in real
conditions” than any B in this table.
The Carrera plus climb is even better than the original version only in weak
and moderate conditions. The more the headwind, the original version cut
forward more efficiently.
The AD Rise 2 is very comfortable to fly with a superb glide for the high B category.
The Rush 4 like the Swift 4 has nearly the glide of the Mentor 3 but with
lesser speed. It’s an overall efficient glider in difficult conditions where it
could cut through turbulence and have a very solid and compact feel coupled
with a direct handling.
The Mentor 4 has now the best glide in difficult conditions among the similar
aspect ratio B’s very close to the Iota and the Rook 2. The climb in very weak
conditions still favors the Mentor 3 S similarly loaded.
The Atlas X-Alps is an easy “all rounder” with very good performance especially
in weak climbs and low saves.
I’m certain that a good pilot can break an XC record with ANY of those superb B
gliders from above!
Please pick the one that will make you feel happy under it ….The rest is up to you!
Cheers,
Ziad
6 Comments
Dear Ziad,
any plans to try the jedi 2 soon?
regards,
Y.
Sorry …no jedy 2 … 🙁
Hi, Where does the Ion 4 rate in the "fun feel" pleasure to fly? Also, you keep dropping the Mentor 4 lite from all the categories.
I'll fix them asap 🙂
Ion 4 in the fun cat …number 3
Cheers
And summit xc3 ? Why you do not write somethings?
I'll update the comparison soon..Thanks.